Liar liar pants on fire.

[sereneorange]

I don't understand why the media doesn't pounce on the innacuracies or just out and out lies that are stated by the candidates. Either side.

The  republicans can say over and over again those four words, "pass a global test" and distort the intended meaning and no one (aside from John Stewart that I have seen so far) is jumping up and screaming, "You silly GITS! you are intentionally ignoring the rest of what he said to distort the meaning"  I am not even going to quote what he really said because we have all heard it and we all know he did not say or infer that he would give veto power to other countries on the subject of a preemptive strike.

I want some one doing an interview or commentary to ask Kerry or Edwards to clarify the 200 billion dollar issue. They keep saying that we have spent 200 billion. We have not and that has been pointed out, but if Kerry/ Edwards would just say, "No it has not been spent yet. We are at 120 billion but the 200 billion includes funds allocated through next year." it would go a long way in not making them look like liars. 

Cheney says that Kerry said " ... when asked if he, knowing everything he knows now, would he have voted the way he did then. He said 'yes'. This morning Diane Sawyer interviewed him on 'Good Morning America,' and asked the same question, knowing everything you know now, would you have voted that way, and he said 'no'. He's changed his mind on many occasions,"

Sawyer asked him if the war in Iraq was worth it, and Kerry said it was a mistake for Bush to start the war. He said that we do have to finish it successfully now that it has started. He has never said that he wants to just say , "fuck it" and pull out. But that is the way it is portrayed.

Cheney has got genormous balls to try to act as if he never said or even tried to imply that he was trying to  make a connection between the 9/11 attack and Iraq. It's a matter of record that Bush and Cheney repeatedly accused Saddam Hussein of aiding al Qaeda terrorists and providing them a base
Cheney said Irq is a "geographic base of the terrorists" and "the place where we want to take on those elements that have come against the United States."

Cheney said at one point that Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons, and then had to later  say , after 35 major newspaper articles included that claim by him that he really meant reconstituted nuclear weapons programs. Some will say that that is mincing words, but when we are talking about weapons like that, that is a huge deal to let the American people beleive that Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons.

I understand that Edwards is inexperienced, but when I look at Cheney's voting record, (yeah yeah yeah.. at least there is a voting record.. shut it!) I am not just having a difference of opinion, I am absolutely freaked out at his position of several issues:

•  He opposed federal funding for abortions -- with no exceptions in the case of rape or incest.
• He voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women, along with 146 other members of Congress in 1983.
• On Education, he consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
• Cheney was raised in Wyoming and opposes, as many Westerners do, gun control limits.
• He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
• Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.
• Also in 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.
• On the environment, Cheney opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards.
• And he voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects and other chronic diseases.

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Comments

[pinkpunkpornsta.livejournal.com]

maybe bush isn't truely past his coke habit and he's been peer pressuring cheney into trying it.

[ashevillain.livejournal.com]

In 2000, when Bush selected Cheney to run with him, I remember hearing that he had one of the most conservative voting records ever. He is like the Jesse Helms of the House.. :p Congressman No...

[serene-orange.livejournal.com]

he makes helms look like a frickin moderate.sheesh

[dangermouse74.livejournal.com]

the problem is that Kerry really refuses to take a strong stance on anything. so you never know exactly what he means when he says it. liekt he global test remark. even before bush harped on it i sure as hell wasn't too pleased hearing it. implying that he wouldn't take action unless the UN and the rest of the world approved of it unlike president Bush. it wasn't until finally in debate #3 he came out and attempted to clarify staing unequivocally that he would not give any country veto power over defending america. that isn't the media or anyone else's fault, that is John kerry's fault.

and he does keep changing his mind on whether he should have voted for the war in iraq, whether saddamn was a threat, whether knowing what we know now if he still woudl have voted for it, which by the way is fairly meaningless because hindsigh is 20/20, you can't base decisions on information you don't have at the time. And the fact that he seems to have no problem not voting quite often is a bit disconcerting as far as shirking the responsibilities go.

i can't disagree on the last parts, i am prochoice and for education and feel we do need a certain amount of gun control. The problem is, candidates for both parties really kind of suck.

[serene-orange.livejournal.com]

he global test remark no.. he meant exactly what he said. Unfortunately, half the world didn't listen to it and just listened to what the media said. He never said he needed approval from everyone else .
I changed my mind on our position in Iraq. I at first beleived what I was being told by the current administration because I wanted to trust my government. Silly girl. I think it would be ridiculous to keep the same stance no matter how much the information changes, but that is why I am not voting for bush. I admire flexability

[dangermouse74.livejournal.com]

welll i listened to what he said, i cringed as soon as i heard it and i will tell you that's how i took it, hearing it right from the debate, without any "media" to play it up and distort it for me. in my opinion it was his own doing, not theirs. he said what he said which was rather unclear and yet implied a bunch of things, And i don't think anyone had to run with it, that was all him (of course they can't resist harping on it afterwards).