Jr. Varsity debates

I am going to be lazy and list what my sister wrote in her blog and just go:" Yeah... what she said." because we are all interchangeable and shit


The debate between Senator Edwards and Vice President Cheney tonight did not hold my attention to the same degree as the first debate between Senator Kerry and President Bush. Granted, it was the second debate for the upcoming election and the debaters were Oval Office equivalent of the Junior Varsity team, so it stands to reason that it would be less engrossing. The look of the debate (seated behind a desk) made it a bit less formal, and definitely less "presidential." Edwards misspoke and at times used the words Iraq and Iran interchangeably, but he did it with enthusiasm, so he still trumped an indolent, prickly Cheney.

In my opinion, Edwards reigned supreme over this debate. He stood his ground and appeared to be congenial and in control throughout most of the debate. He had clear and concise answers when Vice President Cheney questioned his character and his record. Cheney on the other hand, struck me as clinically depressed. His answers rung hollow he just seemed weak. VP Cheney was hunched over the desk, wringing his hands with his coat bunched up behind him giving him the air of a sad, albino hunchback. The only matter that left me disappointed in Senator Edwards was the issue of gay marriage, which he stated both he and Kerry are against. VP Cheney in a surprising maneuver (or lack thereof) sidestepped that issue completely. So, I guess when Senator Edwards stated he is against gay marriage, but he’s for “equal benefits for gay couples,” it is better than Bush’s reactionary stance or “nothing” from Cheney.

The subject of Kerry “flip-flopping” regarding his position on Iraq was of particular interest to me. I have to believe that many people (if not most people) in the U.S. have been conflicted about the war since before it started. I know that my feelings about the war are mixed. Yes, Saddam is a bad man and should not be in power, but if the goal all along was simply to depose a sadistic dictator, then I resent being fed the pretext of a nonexistent link to al Qaida. My feelings about the war have changed in direct relation to the changes in the information I have had about the war and the reason for going to war. I am glad that Kerry is more fluid in his approach to governing than Bush. I am very uncomfortable with anyone who will “stay the course” in the face of evidence that we are going the wrong way. The longer I live, the more I see the subtle shades of gray that pervade all of the complex issues we face. The world is not black and white and it is not colored in a rosy hue. Change in the world is inevitable, and change in how we view our place in the world must be embraced for us to endure and thrive.

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because I am a dirty thief

I snatched from maxomai

He also sat next to him . Lying jackass or addled old fool?

Addressing the National Prayer Breakast, Cheney said: "Thank you. Thank you very much. Congressman Watts, Senator Edwards, friends from across America and distinguished visitors to our country from all over the world, Lynne and I honored to be with you all this morning." [FDCH Political Transcripts, Cheney Remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast, 2/1/01] 
Edwards escorted Elizabeth Dole when she was sworn in as North Carolina's other senator on January 8, 2003, according to Gannet News Service. Cheney administered the oath.

Gotta tell you. I have been really having a hard time with the fact that Kerry and Edwards don' t seem to mind missing some voting while senators. It pisses me off that I have to do my job completely to keep it and get paid, and I think they should as well. That being said. I am still voting for them because the idea of voting for Bush and Cheney is nausiating.

Liar liar pants on fire.

I don't understand why the media doesn't pounce on the innacuracies or just out and out lies that are stated by the candidates. Either side.

The  republicans can say over and over again those four words, "pass a global test" and distort the intended meaning and no one (aside from John Stewart that I have seen so far) is jumping up and screaming, "You silly GITS! you are intentionally ignoring the rest of what he said to distort the meaning"  I am not even going to quote what he really said because we have all heard it and we all know he did not say or infer that he would give veto power to other countries on the subject of a preemptive strike.

I want some one doing an interview or commentary to ask Kerry or Edwards to clarify the 200 billion dollar issue. They keep saying that we have spent 200 billion. We have not and that has been pointed out, but if Kerry/ Edwards would just say, "No it has not been spent yet. We are at 120 billion but the 200 billion includes funds allocated through next year." it would go a long way in not making them look like liars. 

Cheney says that Kerry said " ... when asked if he, knowing everything he knows now, would he have voted the way he did then. He said 'yes'. This morning Diane Sawyer interviewed him on 'Good Morning America,' and asked the same question, knowing everything you know now, would you have voted that way, and he said 'no'. He's changed his mind on many occasions,"

Sawyer asked him if the war in Iraq was worth it, and Kerry said it was a mistake for Bush to start the war. He said that we do have to finish it successfully now that it has started. He has never said that he wants to just say , "fuck it" and pull out. But that is the way it is portrayed.

Cheney has got genormous balls to try to act as if he never said or even tried to imply that he was trying to  make a connection between the 9/11 attack and Iraq. It's a matter of record that Bush and Cheney repeatedly accused Saddam Hussein of aiding al Qaeda terrorists and providing them a base
Cheney said Irq is a "geographic base of the terrorists" and "the place where we want to take on those elements that have come against the United States."

Cheney said at one point that Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons, and then had to later  say , after 35 major newspaper articles included that claim by him that he really meant reconstituted nuclear weapons programs. Some will say that that is mincing words, but when we are talking about weapons like that, that is a huge deal to let the American people beleive that Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons.

I understand that Edwards is inexperienced, but when I look at Cheney's voting record, (yeah yeah yeah.. at least there is a voting record.. shut it!) I am not just having a difference of opinion, I am absolutely freaked out at his position of several issues:

•  He opposed federal funding for abortions -- with no exceptions in the case of rape or incest.
• He voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women, along with 146 other members of Congress in 1983.
• On Education, he consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
• Cheney was raised in Wyoming and opposes, as many Westerners do, gun control limits.
• He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
• Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.
• Also in 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.
• On the environment, Cheney opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards.
• And he voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects and other chronic diseases.

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THIS is funny.

A lesson to all candidates to speak more carefully. When Cheney mentioned the website www.factcheck.com what he meant to say was www.factcheck.ORG .
George  Soros caught that, and bought the domain and redirected the address to his site urging voters to vote against Bush.
*pounce*

*edit
I was informed of the comment now on Soros's site that says "We do not own the FactCheck.com domain name and are not responsible for it redirecting to GeorgeSoros.com. We are as surprised as anyone by this turn of events. We believe that Vice President Cheney intended to direct viewers to FactCheck.org."

I don't know who did it, but it is funny.

HAIR??? fucking HAIR?

Shamelessly yoinked from  the ever entertaining presenttense80

"America saw two very different visions of our country and two different hairdos," Bush said, a reference to the contrast between the 63-year-old Cheney's bald pate and the 51-year-old Edwards' thick blond (*??that is blond?*)hair.
I didn't pick my vice president for his hairdo, I picked him for his judgment, his experience," he said. "In less than a month, you'll have a chance to vote for Dick Cheney and me."

*.....the fuck?........*

With all of the differences they have on issues and basic idealolgy, you mean to tell me the best he could come up with at the time to accuse Kerry of is  <b>shallowness</b>?
Ready for debate #2

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I am needing ideas please. I am going to a halloween party 10/30 and need an unbeleivably cheap and easy costume idea.
The more offensive the better.

Sister so far has the best idea. Dress up like anna nicole and wear a name tag that says "Trim Spa : before picture"

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( which ATHF character are you? I am : )

Birthday

Were my sister, Linda still alive, today would be her birthday.  She died August 23, 2003.

I was cleaning out a drawer yesterday and found an envelope with a few letters in it. There were about 5 from Linda and Grandma (died Oct 13 2003). There was one with a photo.

I was reading the first one, got about halfway down the page, then remembered they were dead.

How the hell did that happen.

Ouch. I miss them.