middle east crap
Jul. 31st, 2006 11:57 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
sereneorangeSo... this mess they have going on that will never ever end:
What was Israel supposed to do when it's soldiers were taken?
What was Israel supposed to do while they are having little crappy-no-aim missels fired at them? Were they supposed to just let it go?
Why does Hizbollah think is going to happen when they station their launchers near civillians?
Why do the people that live by the launchers stay there? They see and hear what is going on near their home.
What was Israel supposed to do when it's soldiers were taken?
What was Israel supposed to do while they are having little crappy-no-aim missels fired at them? Were they supposed to just let it go?
Why does Hizbollah think is going to happen when they station their launchers near civillians?
Why do the people that live by the launchers stay there? They see and hear what is going on near their home.
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Date: 2006-07-31 05:10 pm (UTC)it sickens me, really, the level of aggression and overkill israel is employing, but then again, i find myself saying "well, that'll learn ya."
oy. :(
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Date: 2006-07-31 05:12 pm (UTC)it is like walking up and slapping someone and then getting pissed off when they kick you till you can't breathe.
Oversimplifying, I know... but still...
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Date: 2006-07-31 06:21 pm (UTC)oh come on, aren't you supposed to be a bleeding-heart liberal?
the obvious answer is (theatrically spoken of course) "THEY HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GOOOO"
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Date: 2006-07-31 06:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 06:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 07:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 06:41 pm (UTC)Because Hezbollah forces them to stay in the shelter. Yes, they actually point a gun at them and tell them to stay. Hezbollah uses citizens as shields and does this on purpose just so that things like the Qana Massacre will happen.
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Date: 2006-07-31 07:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 07:43 pm (UTC)But since we're not there and we don't think like Middle Easterners do and never will (something conservatards don't get), we will never understand.
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Date: 2006-07-31 07:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 08:18 pm (UTC)I wanna say it's probably like an abused housewife thing. Even though he's the one with the gun to your head, he's still the one there not bombing the crap out of you.
And remember, these people (and this isn't meant to be racist when I say "these people", it's supposed to be a cultural distinction) can/will think nothing of putting semiautomatics in their childrens' hands to defend themselves against anyone who attacks/offends them. All of this shit from Israel is just going to breed more Israeli/Jew and American hatred, and that's going to breed more and more violence.
Shrub does not know what he's done to that region with the whole Iraq thing. He really doesn't have a fucking clue (and neither does any tard who still supports him). He's opened up a can of worms.
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Date: 2006-07-31 08:13 pm (UTC)What was Isreal supposed to do when it's soldiers were taken?
Uh...not overreact/misdirect their ire towards the Lebanese? These are soldiers that were taken, not civilians. Soldiers who signed up for war/duty knowing full well the kind of shit that they could get into, including killed. And those rocket attacks from the Hezbollah didn't start up again until after Israel's response to the soldiers' kidnapping (one of Chelle's friends on her friends list was enjoying a peaceful vacation in Lebanon and came back the day before Israel bombed the fuck out of the airport in Lebanon). I swear, it's like no one actually follows the news these days unless it's cycling repetitively in front of one's face.
I find it interesting indeed it was Hamas who were the ones to take that geeky soldier, but now everyone's using Hezbollah interchangably with it since they jumped in and did joined in with them (and in fact, we haven't heard anything about Hamas, it's just been HezbollahHezbollahHezbollah...). Do conservatards even know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah? I didn't think so, because a tayerrist is a tayerrist/an A-rab is an A-rab to the Western way of thinking.
Jesus Marilyn, you're startin' to sound like...well. Check the icon.
Something for you to refresh.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/14/21923/5945
Also, it's Israel. ;-*
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Date: 2006-07-31 08:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 08:19 pm (UTC)Good. :-*
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Date: 2006-07-31 09:30 pm (UTC)soldiers that signed up? you think its some thing you volunteer to do here?
it is a must, if you really want you can avoid it, but its a must in israel.
the soldiers here recruit when they finish school for a 3 year period, i for 1, recruit in less then 4 months. you think i want 2 spend the next 3 years working for less then 10 cent a hour, seeing home 1s in 1-4 weeks?
this is, not what i want to do.
open your eyes.
did you ever had the experience of being under attack? you say israel over react. israel left lebanon 6 years ago, not just left, we retreated. and we added to this retreat a warning.
and yet, even thought we left, they kept shooting on us 1s in a while, we ignored it.
now they kidnap 2 soldiers, and u expect us to just sit aside?
let me remind u, we did sit aside some years ago, when 3 soldiers was kidnaped, we had to realese some 10s of terrorits just to get there CORPSES back.
when you serve your country u dont expect it to abandon you.
so yes, we had a fierce respone to the kidnaping, but in the 6 years we left lebanon hizballa took it, it became a army, a army that hide behind childrens and civilans, how can support an organization that KILLS 2 childrens, not just 2 childrens, but 2 little ARAB GIRLS, not even rotten jews like the rest of the israelis are, and instead of apologizing call them Shaidim? tell that they die serving alla?
as i write this lines im geting bombed, i can be the next civilan to die in israel, and look at me, just finished highschool, not even 18 yet, and some 1 some where hopes his next rocket will hit me. if they had the fire power we do, israel wouldnt exist any more.
the fact we dont broadcast our dead childrens to the world dosent mean we dont have, cuz we do.
why i live in a place that being bombed? why does most of the 2 millions ppl that escaped from there houses are returning to the "warzone"? becouse like they do, we dont have any where else to go.
i wasent a refugee for the last 3 weeks? lucky me i had places to stay and eat when i wasent home, not every 1 are like that, the fact our refugess get treated better then there refugees dosent mean we arent.
FFS, a friend of mine from school lost his house, and he would die as well if he didnt leave it 5 min earlier. but the diffrence is, if he would die, they would give each other a high five, if we kill there childrens, we apologize.
and no, i dont think a arab is an arab, in fact, i have many arab friends, arabs which at, just like me, dis the hizballa.
they use childrens as humanshields, we dont, we dont want to conquer half of there country again so instead of going there with full land force we soft them from the air/artillery and enter there with caution, we lost 8 soldiers to a ambush of theres, why? cuz we didnt want to kill civilians and bomb there ass.
i didnt see any terrorist apologize for killing the little boy and his grandmother a week ago, but u probaly didnt hear about there either, as i said, we dislike using our dead childrens as a propoganda.
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Date: 2006-07-31 09:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 09:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 09:48 pm (UTC)Anyway, again, thank you for sharing your voice.
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Date: 2006-07-31 09:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 09:48 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-08-02 08:02 pm (UTC)My only mistake in what I posted was the whole "soldiers signing up"--I had forgotten that Israel (like some other countries in the world) have mandatory military service required of their men, and I apologize for the mistake. Amurikka's men don't have mandatory military service anymore.
So what does THAT tell you about the government/your country itself--why does it need mandatory military service for their men?
and no, i dont think a arab is an arab, in fact, i have many arab friends, arabs which at, just like me, dis the hizballa.
I am not talking about you, I am talking about our mainstream media and the American-led propaganda against differentiation of who's who--it propogates ignorance, which makes us (Americans, and those who continue to not differentiate/spread ignorance) look like fools.
And sadly there ARE humans who will use women and children as shields. I don't understand that, either. But I am not in their shoes. I don't really THINK like them, and I don't feel their frustration. To me, one cannot ever truly relate to something that one could not experience yourself/feel, and therefore governments/military can't pretend to act against something that could never be understood...which is the main reason why I think the U.S. should get the Hell out of Iraq (and never belonged there to begin with).
Anyway.
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Date: 2006-08-02 08:06 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-31 11:46 pm (UTC)btw this the annoymous guy...
i wanted to add some thing.
i think those who suffer the most are the lebanon ppl, and i feel sorry for them, i feel sympathy for them.
but when some 1 drowns u, do you blame the 1 that drowned you, or the water that killed u?
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Date: 2006-08-01 03:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-08-01 03:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-08-02 01:12 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-08-01 03:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-08-02 08:04 pm (UTC)What facts did I get wrong, other than the military service one, which is moot now?
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Date: 2006-08-02 08:39 pm (UTC)Re: the misdirected ire towards the Lebanese. According to UN Security Council Resolution 1559 (from February 2004) it is the responsibility of the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah and to assert Lebanese sovereignty in southern Lebanon. They have failed to do so. That leaves Israel faced with an enemy boasting 12,000 missiles and an itchy trigger finger.
Hezbollah is hiding like cowards in Lebanese towns, using the Lebanese, UN Observers, anyone they can as human shields. They set their rocket launchers up in civilian homes and buildings. They dress in civilian clothes. They're playing dirty.
Israel has risked sending soldiers in when it would have been safer to bomb, because Lebanese civilians were there. Israel is broadcasting radio and dropping leaflets into Lebanon warning in advance of strikes, telling civilians to get out. Hezbollah isn't warning Israeli towns before they bomb them. Hezbollah is not defending themselves. They aren't aiming their missiles at Isreli military targets. They're striking civilians on purpose.
Any loss of Lebanese life is tragic. But honestly, if you were in a situation of choosing between your guaranteed destruction and the possibility of someone elses losses, you might react in the same way.
Israel is a country with a population smaller than Houston, completely surrounded by enemies. They are only defending themselves. Israel must completely destroy Hezbollah. If the terrorists walk way from this at all, they will be heralded as heroes and they'll come back. Israel's enemies will see that someone stood up to Israel and won. That cannot happen for the sake of Israel and the world.
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Date: 2006-08-04 07:24 pm (UTC)